{"id":13353,"date":"2021-11-25T15:53:57","date_gmt":"2021-11-25T15:53:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/uncategorized\/liebenberg-janos-81\/"},"modified":"2026-05-06T15:00:23","modified_gmt":"2026-05-06T15:00:23","slug":"liebenberg-janos-81","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/munkatarsak-en\/liebenberg-janos-81\/","title":{"rendered":"J\u00e1nos Liebenberg"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Mailand dem 28 Jun\u00ff 1817<\/em>[1]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mein lieber Liebenberg, \u00fcber Ihren Brief[a]<\/a> und das kleine Pasquil welches ich darin gefunden[2]<\/a>, bin ich recht vergn\u00fcgt gewesen, und hab\u2018 recht sehr gelacht und dabei ausgeruffen: besser Neider<\/em>1<\/sup> als Mitleider[b]<\/a> \u201e \u2014 Nicht so ist\u2018s mit dem Sperativ[c]<\/a> \u2013 da ich noch immer ein kleines deficit darin bemerkt habe, wie wohl Sie, kleiner Schelm! die 1000 # von Batthi\u00e1nyi[d]<\/a> nicht in denen Eink\u00fcnften angemerkt haben – die Sie jetzt doch schon in denen N\u00e4geln haben m\u00fc\u00dfen \u2013  Wir wollen daher etwas handeln \u2014 bis jetzt gab ich 300 # hier aus, und werde morgen neue 100[3]<\/a> # ausgeben \u2014 davon hab ich bezahlen m\u00fc\u00dfen f\u00fcr Uniform, Z\u00e4ume \u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Czak\u00f3 – Lehabraquen 130 #<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Transport v 2 Wagen von<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Wien 1 Venedig \u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014 100 #<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ein Pferd f\u00fcr meinen Rittmeister gekauft 100 #<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Summe 330 #<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Nun kommen meine Fourage[4]<\/a> Ausgaben dan die Livr\u00e9e \u2013 danmu\u00df ich e\u00dfen ect mit einem Wort ich brauche viel \u2013 um Ihnen aber eine gro\u00dfe Freude zu machen will ich nunero[5]<\/a> mit 300 # auf 50 # ad summum[6]<\/a> in einem Monath auskommen da also noch 6 Monathe sind \u2013 und ich bereits 400 # ausgegeben habe, so wird meine ganze d\u00e9pense[7]<\/a> bis zum 1 Januar 1817[8]<\/a> auf 2500 # kommen \u2014 Zu Ihren Eink\u00fcnften kriegen Sie \u00fcbrigens etwas Fayence von hier, die mein Bruder Paul nehmen wird, und die Sie um 50 # anrechnen werden, und die schon bezahlt ist, dan kommen 4000 fl[9]<\/a> W. W.[10]<\/a> die der Graf Saurau[e]<\/a> in Wien bei Arnstein<\/a>[<\/a>f] n\u00e4chstens erlegen soll. \u2013 Bewilligen Sie mir also die\u00df mein alter Freund und ich bin zufrieden gestellt \u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Sie k\u00f6nnen hier\u00fcber selbst mit meinen Eltern sprechen, da ich dies Ausgabe zu machen gedenke und ich Sie nicht \u00fcbernat\u00fcrlich gro\u00df finde \u2014 das w\u00e4re das vern\u00fcnftigste, und ich glaube, da\u00df Sie selbst es billigen werden, da ich hier recht anst\u00e4ndig und ordentlich leben will, und das meinem Namen und reputation, die ohnehin von allen Seiten angegriffen ist, nur n\u00fctzen und nicht schaden kann. \u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Adieu \u2013 ich bitte um eine Antwort bald m\u00f6glichst<\/p>\n\n\n\n

St[11]<\/a> Sz\u00e9chenyi<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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[1]<\/a> Sz\u00e9chenyi\u2019s underlining with straight line.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[2]<\/a> Missing word: habe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[3]<\/a> A number deleted.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[4]<\/a> French: feed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[5]<\/a> Instead of nunmero, the archaic form of the adverb “nunmehr.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[6]<\/a> Latin: at most.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[7]<\/a> French: cost.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[8]<\/a> Instead of 1818.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[9]<\/a> florins<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[10]<\/a> Wiener W\u00e4hrung<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[11]<\/a> Stephan<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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[a]<\/a> The letter is unknown.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[b]<\/a> See the letters of 20 and 23 June 1817.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[c]<\/a> Every year, Sz\u00e9chenyi asked Liebenberg to provide a preliminary budget outlining expected expenses and revenues.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[d]<\/a> Count J\u00e1nos Batthy\u00e1ny Baptist (1784\u20131865) was a lieutenant colonel in the 5th Hussars Regiment, with whom Sz\u00e9chenyi fought against the Neapolitans in 1815. They were also related because Batthy\u00e1ny\u2019s wife, Countess M\u00e1ria Esterh\u00e1zy (1791\u20131830), was Sz\u00e9chenyi\u2019s cousin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[e]<\/a> Count Z\u00e9n\u00f3 Vincze Saurau (1792\u20131846), Imperial and Royal Chamberlain and Colonel. In 1815, he married Countess Gabriella Hunyady (1797\u20131821), whom Sz\u00e9chenyi had also courted in 1817.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[f]<\/a> Baron Nathan Adam Arnstein (1748\u20131838) Viennese banker. In 1805, together with banker Bernhard von Eskeles, he founded the banking house Arnstein & Eskeles, which was the dominant financial institution in Austria for three decades.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Recommended reference:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Istv\u00e1n Sz\u00e9chenyi to J\u00e1nos Liebenberg, Milan, 28 June 1817. Edited and annotated by Szilvia Czinege. Published in Correspondence of Istv\u00e1n Sz\u00e9chenyi. Digital edition. Edited by Szilvia Czinege and Zolt\u00e1n F\u00f3nagy. https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/ Abbreviation for further references: SzIL-Digit.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

He didn’t like the budget Liebenberg had sent him, he found a deficit. He explains what he spends his money on, an average of 350 ducats a month. If he were to talk to his parents about his expenses, he should say he lives a decent and orderly life.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2284,2285,3388],"tags":[3544],"language":[3416],"addressee":[3419],"place_of_writing":[3740],"qualification":[3383],"place_of_keeping":[4350],"place_of_publication":[4351],"class_list":["post-13353","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-munkatarsak-en","category-lunkanyi_janos-en-munkatarsak-en","category-gazda-en","tag-money","language-german","addressee-janos-liebenberg","place_of_writing-milan","qualification-original","place_of_keeping-mta-kik-kt-k-196-156-en","place_of_publication-majlath-i-46-47-en"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13353","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=13353"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13353\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13356,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13353\/revisions\/13356"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=13353"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=13353"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=13353"},{"taxonomy":"language","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/language?post=13353"},{"taxonomy":"addressee","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/addressee?post=13353"},{"taxonomy":"place_of_writing","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/place_of_writing?post=13353"},{"taxonomy":"qualification","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/qualification?post=13353"},{"taxonomy":"place_of_keeping","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/place_of_keeping?post=13353"},{"taxonomy":"place_of_publication","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/place_of_publication?post=13353"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}