{"id":14005,"date":"2021-12-15T10:42:45","date_gmt":"2021-12-15T10:42:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/uncategorized\/liebenberg-janos-142\/"},"modified":"2026-06-04T15:50:21","modified_gmt":"2026-06-04T15:50:21","slug":"liebenberg-janos-142","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/munkatarsak-en\/liebenberg-janos-142\/","title":{"rendered":"J\u00e1nos Liebenberg"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Wien d. 21ten<\/sup> J\u00e4ner 1821<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Liebster Liebenberg!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ich habe vergessen Ihnen neulich zu sagen, da\u00df Kiss,[a]<\/a> nachdem er von uns dre\u04f1 Br\u00fcdern j\u00e4hrlich 1500 fl[1]<\/a> c. m.[2]<\/a> erh\u00e4lt, hinf\u00fchro keine Victualien erhalten wird.[b]<\/a> Er wird wahrscheinlich lamentiren, was ich geschehen lassen will, denn er ist einer von den ewig Unzufriedenen. Das Capital von 11,150 fl.1<\/sup> welches er be\u04f1 mir angelegt hat, wird im n\u00e4chsten Ma\u04f1 f\u00e4llig. Da wir es schwer auszahlen k\u00f6nnten, und er sub aliquibus conditionibus[3]<\/a> au\u00dferordentlich gern be\u04f1 mir liesse, so wollen wir es behalten. Das Weitere m\u00fcndlich in Zinkendorf. Erinnern Sie mich daran. Sobald ich Sie besuche, werde ich w\u00fcnschen eine generale Berechnung der Eink\u00fcnfte, und Ausgaben des Jahrs 1820 be\u04f1 Ihnen zu finden.[4]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Wenn Sie den Pitner[c]<\/a> hieher senden, um Grafen Merey\u2019s[d]<\/a> Weine abzuziehen, k\u00f6nnte er 450 bis 500 leere Bouteillen mitbringen; da ich das Fa\u00df Madeira auch abziehen will lassen, um da\u00df wir, wenn das Haus auf der Landstra\u00dfe verkauft werden sollte, mit der Transportierung eines Fa\u00dfes in keine Verlegenheit kommen m\u00f6gen. Nun ist die Frage noch zu beantworten, ob wir so viele leere Bouteillen haben und wenn der Binder hieher kommen wird? \u2014<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Schreiben Sie mir und leben Sie wohl<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Sz\u00e9ch\u00e9nyi<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Diesen Brief \u00fcberbringt der Herr Abeless von Oedenburg, verkaufen Sie wie Sie k\u00f6nnen und wie Sie wollen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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[1]<\/a> florins<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[2]<\/a> Conventionsm\u00fcnzen<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[3]<\/a> Latin: under certain conditions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[4]<\/a> The first part is in Antal Pigay\u2019s handwriting, followed by Sz\u00e9chenyi\u2019s. (Note by Gyula Viszota on the copy.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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[a]<\/a> J\u00f3zsef Kiss, doctor to Ferenc Sz\u00e9ch\u00e9nyi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[b]<\/a> In his reply written on 27 January (MNL OL P 626\u20131.\u20131821.), Liebenberg asks Sz\u00e9chenyi not to sign another bond for Doctor Kiss J\u00f3zsef, because the interest on the 8,000 forints borrowed from him is 12%, i.e. 960 forints per year, and he can be satisfied with that. The amount, including unpaid interest, has risen to 11,150 forints, so he is seeking to have it paid off as soon as possible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[c]<\/a> He was likely an employee of Sz\u00e9chenyi who was responsible for the handling and transportation of wines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[d]<\/a> Probably a typo, instead of Mercy. Between 1820 and 1830, Sz\u00e9chenyi\u2019s letters to J\u00e1nos Liebenberg have survived only in copies, mostly in the hand of Istv\u00e1n Darvas. Gyula Viszota probably compared these with the original manuscripts and sometimes made corrections in pencil, as he likely did with this name (Ms 4229\/252 f. 3), correcting Merey to Mercy. Given the content of the letter mentioned in note f), it is more likely to be about Count Mercy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Andreas Florimond Count Mercy d\u2019Argenteau (1771\u20131840) was an Austrian diplomat, counsellor at the State Secret Chancellery, confidant of Metternich. Sz\u00e9chenyi also sold him wine in October 1816 and 1817. See the letters of 6-7 October 1816 and 24 October 1817 and 19 May 1823.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Recommended reference:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Istv\u00e1n Sz\u00e9chenyi to J\u00e1nos Liebenberg, Vienna, 21 January 1821. Edited and annotated by Szilvia Czinege. Published in Correspondence of Istv\u00e1n Sz\u00e9chenyi. Digital edition. Edited by Szilvia Czinege and Zolt\u00e1n F\u00f3nagy. https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/ Abbreviation for further references: SzIL-Digit.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

He forgot to say that Kiss does not get food from them, which he will probably whine about. The capital of 11.150 forints he invested with Sz\u00e9chenyi is due in May. More about this in person. If he sends Pitner for the wines, he can bring 450-500 empty bottles with him, because he wants to bottle the content of the Madeira barrel. The question is whether they have that many empty bottles.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2284,2285,3388],"tags":[3544,3690],"language":[3416],"addressee":[3419],"place_of_writing":[3397],"qualification":[3769],"place_of_keeping":[4652],"place_of_publication":[2292],"class_list":["post-14005","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-munkatarsak-en","category-lunkanyi_janos-en-munkatarsak-en","category-gazda-en","tag-money","tag-wine","language-german","addressee-janos-liebenberg","place_of_writing-vienna","qualification-copy","place_of_keeping-mta-kik-kt-ms-4229-176-en","place_of_publication-319-en"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14005","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=14005"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14005\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14008,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14005\/revisions\/14008"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=14005"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=14005"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=14005"},{"taxonomy":"language","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/language?post=14005"},{"taxonomy":"addressee","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/addressee?post=14005"},{"taxonomy":"place_of_writing","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/place_of_writing?post=14005"},{"taxonomy":"qualification","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/qualification?post=14005"},{"taxonomy":"place_of_keeping","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/place_of_keeping?post=14005"},{"taxonomy":"place_of_publication","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/szechenyilevelezes.abtk.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/place_of_publication?post=14005"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}